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I try as hard as i can not to throw cautions, but I do all the time, for other people, but almost NEVER for myself. If my spotter had told me you we're spinning YES I would have thrown the caution for you so you wouldn't have went a lap down. In fact I already had my eye on interval to see if ya'll was moving, if ya'll wasn't i was ready to throw it.
I can't throw cautions for every single incident obviously, people are going to go a lap down. But if i here someone spinning and I know for a fact that they'll go a lap down as a result i'll throw the caution almost every single time, even if I know "I shouldn't". I try not to, it's not cool to disrupt the race. If I think they can stay on the lead lap i'll try to not throw it.
I've been in the lead and come up on a car that i was going to lap and thrown the caution so they could have another chance to stay on the lead lap and LOST the race as a DIRECT RESULT.
I've crashed my car and lost so many times giving other people back their laps, clearing black flags for them, etc etc it's insane.
According to the replay I threw myself two cautions, the rest we're server issued. I did nothing that I wouldn't have done for you or anyone else. The first one was because i was backwards on the apron with you right there. But even with that it didn't benefit me at all, it denefited Bruce. It gave him a legal lucky dog and got him back on the lead lap so mabey, just mabey some actual racing could happen between you and him. Being 4 laps down i had little hope in it.
The second caution i threw was because i spun and was sideways on the track right in front of Bruce and yet NO CAUTION. So yea, after about five spins and NO cautions (which I would have most likely gave to someone else before it got to a 4 lap down issue, cause i like close racing) and mabey mixed with a little to much emotion, I figured the server owed me a couple.

There was only 2 things I did wrong.

1. Issuing myself the lucky dogs.
Sure I wanted back on the lead lap and yes I was going to take advantage of lucky dogs if and as they presented themselves. But, had i remembered that one that causes the caution gets NO luck dog I would have not issued them, to myself or anyone else that caused one.
One thing is for absolute sure though, I was NOT causing cautions for the purpose of getting the lucky dogs, PERIOD.
Which brings me to my next mistake.

2. Disrupting the race with to many cautions, self issued and server issued.
I like close racing and I like trying to keep everyone on the same lap when i can (including me). But normally when I start spinning that much I just retire as to not disrupt everyone elses race. Which is exactly what I should have done, but my desire to race overtook my judgement and for that I apologise to all.

I'm sorry if it looked like cheating, it was not.

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What did someone tell me was the reason we couldn't redo qualifying when I had my spoiler set so low that the back wheels wouldn't stay glued down? "It is what it is."



Yes, according to practice I should have easily had the pole, but I to spun and had to settle for 3rd, it was what it was. No complaints from me either, other than to myself for not being more careful.

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I get spun by the new guy at the beginning of the race and NO CAUTION flag for me, I just gotta play catch-up. No problem, I was fine with that.



Actually, watch the replay, you dove from the top down to the bottom straight into him and got knocked back up to the wall. You didn't spin, you was able to keep going straight without loosing to much ground. I was listening for my spotter to report a spin and had my eye on the interval to see if I needed to throw a caution to keep you two on the lead lap.

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edit: Just read up on this "lucky dog" rule. Yeah, that !@#$'s gay. They never did that back when it was Winston Cup. What kind of pussy-fag thought that bullshit up?



When your a lap down with no possible way getting back on the lead lap and you get the lucky dog thanks to someone elses spin and get back on the lead lap and race for the win you might change your thoughts on that.

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but my desire to race overtook my judgement and for that I apologise to all.



Well you can apologize here to that new guy "Bruce Knotts" all day long, I doubt he'll ever see it and I doubt he'll be coming back. That's the worst part about this whole thing. He was obviously a good driver, he was the only out of all of us that didn't spin or wreck the whole time. And now he probably won't be back. If we're trying to build up the roster, this ain't success.

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I'm sorry if it looked like cheating, it was not.



Haha! Wow, great apology there, bro. "I'm sorry that you thought what I did was wrong, it wasn't." All I can say to that is what someone told me last night: "It is what it is." I know I did nothing wrong. I'm not even mad about it either. More like just plain old disappointed. I took you for someone who was a little more about having some fun, just laid-back and not being so damned cut-throat happy about video games, and letting the chips fall where they may. I was looking forward to being able to play through an entire season in a real league (with a properly functioning video card this year) like I always wanted to do back when I was a teen playing Nascar 2 on Windows95.

Bottom line, I play this for fun. I don't deal with drama when playing video games, and that's precisely why I don't screw around with TDM leagues and duels in Quake2. I do this !@#$ to escape reality and pretend like I'm still a young kid without a care in the world or bills to pay or stress on my mind. It's fun. Fun. When people start taking advantage of the fact that they're the server admin and race official in order to win, it becomes obvious that winning is more important to someone than having fun. If I hadn't left the server, you would've kept right on racing until the checkered flag and called it another win for ole DS and you wouldn't have batted an eye in the process.

If you thought giving me the win would satisfy or appease me, you were wrong. I don't want the win. I quit, I didn't earn it. Like I said before, I don't think I even wanna waste my time racing this league anymore if I'm gonna have to deal with more dopey dumb !@#$ like this again. This whole situations just !@#$ stupid. And you making excuses for everything reeks of VAE. Honestly, I'd rather you didn't go there, I prefer not to think you were on the same level as him, he's a kind of "special" all on his own... as in the "special ed" type. You fucked up, plain and simple. Just say it, don't make excuses for it, apologize, and move on. Look at it from my perspective. Sitting here and outlining how you feel justified in giving yourself a clearly unfair advantage doesn't look cool to me at all. If you were in my position, I have no doubt you'd feel the same.

Maybe you just think I'm trying to be a dick and by giving excuses/reasons for it you're just standing up for yourself. That's understandable. But be aware... if my goal was to be a disagreeable little !@#$ looking for an excuse to argue and fight over something for the sheer amusement of it, you'd KNOW it without a doubt. I'd be hurling merciless insults at you and calling you every dirty name in the book... and I'm not. I know people !@#$ up sometimes, and I'm not above forgiving someone for !@#$ up despite what a few people may think about me otherwise. I'd hate to shitcan the entire season based on one little screw-up that could be used as a learning opportunity. If you want my advice, maybe we should think about either tossing this race and all accompanying stats out completely, or even better, just reschedule it as a do-over one Tuesday night when there is no truck race that week like last week. To me, that seems like it would benefit EVERYONE. Better to do that than to leave it as it is, a blemish on the season, and possibly effect the outcome of the series later down the road.



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When your a lap down with no possible way getting back on the lead lap and you get the lucky dog thanks to someone elses spin and get back on the lead lap and race for the win you might change your thoughts on that.



No, I might not. Fair is fair, and getting something you didn't earn is not fair.

I'd like to vote on tossing this rule out of the book for our league, personally. Screw the kindergarten-esque coddling lap welfare system. It ain't how Waltrip or Earnhardt did it, they raced for 500 miles on Sundays and won it, not 499.

Furthermore, if we do feel that it is necessary to wave caution flags that the game itself doesn't initiate, maybe we should discuss introducing a set policy on it to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, maybe giving each racer one "voucher" for a caution flag to use per race, maybe setting rules as to when they can be used. Obviously saving one until 3 laps to go when you're in the lead and in danger of losing 1st place is a no-no. Things like that. I dunno though, it still has the potential to be abused for an unfair advantage even if we DO set rules for their usage and try to prevent that kind of thing. Maybe it's best just to let the game run it's course and do it on it's own.
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This has been discussed endlessly in this league and others. We have been running with these posted rules for probably 3 or so years now, normally without unhappy people. If you are planning to take part in future races, then we can discuss this as a group and see what is best for today's group of drivers. If you are not interested in racing anymore with us, then it probably is not worth the energy.

DS did not do those things to move to a win, i trust him today as i have for the past many years to be an objective, fair, and honest person. He is not motivated by a need to win at another's expense if he was aware of it. If he is fully informed, i trust him to make good calls, as he has been a great leader here for us for many years.

Problems like this creep up almost every season, and we face them when necessary and find a resolution that is best for the majority. We can work through it this time, as we have before.

If anyone wants to partake in a conversation about things, we could do it in irc or on the server tonight as there is a CUP race tonight.

i will be around to do whatever is needed to help find a resolution.

i back DS on his decisions in the cts race, as they were based on the information he had. If any drivers want to talk more about it, i am all for it. The standings can be discussed after a race, at anytime, as it has always been.

i hear all of your words and won't tell you what to think or feel Focalor, but i will stand on my own to defend DS' intents to provide a close, fun race to the best of his ability, and without his own personal gains. i certainly hope that you continue to race with us.

Any of this can be discussed.
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I openly admitted my screw ups. I gave the reasons I did what I did, not as excuses or justifacation, just facts. Doesn't make it right, it was still wrong, i've admitted that and can't figure out any other way of admitting it.
As far as the finishing order is concered though that wasn't adjusted to appease or satisfy anyone, it was adjusted because it needed adjusted.
If any wants to discuss it further in IRC or whatever to keep it off the board i'm fine with that.

If any want to discuss replacing an incompetent and/or cheeting admin i'de be more than happy to discuss handing over those rains anytime someone wants them. Everyone I race (reguraly) with I trust. Gator, Foc, Petty, JP, Hussboy, even Busche mabey with a little mentoring.
Frankly I get pretty tired of being the only one making calls while trying to race, wrecking my car trying to input admin commands to give someone there lap back or to clear a false black flag, being the only one having to decide do I throw a caution or let it stay green when i'm in the middle of my own race.
I have no problem adminning/racing at the same time, this is my 4th season doing it. But in all honesty after this week this feels just like work. I managed a restaurant for 15 years, retail for 5. You make 150 decisions that bennifet your staff and all is good in the world, make 1 wrong dumb decision that bennifits you and it's a week long company inquiry. I feel like i'm coming home from work just to go to work.
But, I do have an idea and would love to discuss it here, in IRC, or in another thread.

As for now though all I know is that when it comes right down to it, when I get off work on Tuesdays and Thursdays i'm tired and all I want to do is race. I don't give 2 ounces of crap who wins, as long as I'm getting to race someone for something, 5th, 2nd, 3rd, it doesnt matter. Not sure how many people can understand that and realize there's a difference.

There's a race in cup11s tonight and I want to race it. Foc, Gator, Busche, SMS guests, or any of our older racers like Petty, JP or Hussboy, I don't care.

If any want to discuss this topic in IRC i'll be on IRC in my shop sometime an hour or so before I start practicing.
If any want to "race" i'll be on the server about 30min or an hour before the race practicing.
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This isn't entirely necessary to post this, but I figure it's good to make it public record here in case someone else reads this. This whole situation was talked out in IRC, we shook hands, hugged, had make-up sex, I gave DS lots of VD, water under the bridge.

Basically I said I kinda over-reacted to whole situation and I sincerely apologize for making it more difficult that it had to be. Maybe emotions got the better of DS and caused him to do what he did, and I guess emotion got the better of me too making me turn it into more of an issue than it should have been. I think you guys have known me around Tastyspleen long enough to know that I'm usually pretty level headed, but occasionally I can go off the deep end with things. Point is: we're all here first and foremost to race and have fun, not to argue like kids. We're adults here, and like adults we can be reasonable and work out problems if and when they happen.

Also, it really didn't fully register in my mind that DS takes a considerable amount of his free time organizing and running this whole deal, and I obviously don't appreciate all the work he puts into it. I've been the lead man in a gaming clan before, handling server setup, map selection, troubleshooting, etc, so I remember how it tends to suck the fun out of it. I guess I didn't remember that the other day though. SO... now that I do realize this and remember it, I guess it's best to just completely disregard any suggestions I previously made about changing rules and policies. !@#$ was running pretty okay before I came along, no reason to change it now. Whatever makes DS's job easier. I should be thankful that he takes the time to do this at all, because he obviously doesn't HAVE to. So if I haven't said it before, I'm saying it now: Thanks for all you do, bro. And anything I can do to make it easier from now on, just let me know, I owe it to you.
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Ahhhh SHuks.
Thanks Focalor, except for the VD, but I've heard thats treatable.
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Another great race. Congrats to Focalor on his win. i had a great truck but just lost focus at the end and spun and then continued to spin after that. i did love how that truck drove though. Total shame that DS went out early with mechanicals, as the three of us were having some fun dogfights.
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Please... what time do races start? I have missed several because the BTR site say 7pm central (5pm my time). I happened in Tuesday to the CTS race about 10 to 6 (my time) and was suprised to see practice going on. I was told that races started at 8pm central. I thought this is great as I will have a better chance and getting in the races. Tonight, I am set for a race and when I try to get on the race has already started.. 7pm start time??

Guys, I don't care what time... just tell me what time is going to be the official start time so I can plan accordingly.

PS - If it is 8pm, you may want to change the web page to reflect that.

Thanks, and look forward to seeing you all.

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Ahhh man i would have loved to have had you there JP.
Are you reading one of the older forum posts ?
Which one ?
the current schedule and start times 7PM central and are are listed here.
http://www.btr.clanbtf.net/NASCAR2k3.html

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I think we've kinda winged it a little on start times the past few races. I know for the cup race at Phoenix, DS and Gator started a little early because they didn't see me on irc, and unfortunately I connected to #btr right as they were starting so I wasn't able to join the server and race. Then the ones after that, we kinda started later than the set time in case anybody was late. In fact, DS was a little late to the truck race this week, he was thinking that it was an off week for CTS. Last night, I think the official 35 minute pre-qualifying practice might've started a little earlier than 7pm central/8pm eastern. Just wanna throw this out there, but if 5pm pacific is too early for you to make it, I personally got no objections to starting it a little later. Dunno if DS can swing that though, he's a 12-hr day workin' man sometimes.

About the last two races:

Not usually a fan of the short tracks, but these last two weren't too bad. Gateway was kinda challenging, but the trucks handle pretty solid, so the flatter turns weren't so much of a problem. Bristol is a great one though. It has a pretty massive amount of banking, enough to make turning the cup cars pretty easy, but still a fun challenge as far as negotiating them and picking the proper line through the groove according to current tire condition.

California next week should be pretty interesting. It's a huge superspeedway type track, nice and wide, but with flatter turns that don't allow for 100% full-throttle racing. That said, it should have a nice mixture of drafting and single car racing through the turns. Pretty much whoever can run the turns with the most speed is gonna be on the point. From what I saw, best line seemed to be a higher one entering the turns, then moving down against the inside line at about 3/4 through the turn, then drifting back out to the wall on the exits. If that's true for everyone, it'll make attempting passes on the inside line in the entrance to turns quite possible, but then probably turning into a game of chicken to see if the inside car can maintain enough speed to complete the pass without sliding it up into the car on the outisde line. A VERY fast track with the proper setup. I was hitting 200mph by the time I hit the turns, although that might slow a bit once I tweak my setup. The setup I was using was a pretty extreme one, gearbox was tuned to where I was redlining an awful lot. Should be fun. Can't wait. emoticon

Might also have one new driver joining us. I talked to a buddy in my Quake2 clan last night, and he said his cousin was into racing games. I had to leave before I really wanted to, but last I saw, DS was setting him up with the game. Hopefully we'll see him in the next race, and hopefully we'll also see him getting hooked and staying around for more too.

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